It is every investment bankers dream to land a job on the buyside. Private equity is one of the most (if not the most) common exit opportunity for investment bankers. The thought of more pay, less hours and more meaningful work causes a lot of investment bankers to want to make the jump after a few years as an analyst.
Almost all young investment bankers fresh out of college have the herd mentality. Everyone hates on the investment banking lifestyle and laughs at you if you even consider staying on as an Associate. The buyside is where the herd wants to go. It is very hard to deviate from this mindset and do something different when almost everyone around you wants to do it.
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Why private equity?
Now there is a reason most people want to break into private equity. If you land a good job at a good private equity shop right out of investment banking, you are guaranteed to have close to seven figures saved in the bank by the time you are in your early 30s (unless of course you have a gambling addiction or waste your money on watches, cars, or other expensive items).
But money shouldn’t be the sole reason why you want to do private equity. You can make a similar amount in your 20s if you stayed in investment banking. Investment banking compensation is not all that different than private equity (at least at the junior and mid-levels). The real difference comes in when you become more senior and start to get carry in the fund. More on private equity bonuses below.
If it is not for the $$$ then why should you do private equity? Please don’t say it is because you want more “operational” experience. If your answer is that you want more operational experience, then you probably won’t get a job in private equity. The life of a private equity associate is not all that different than life as an investment banking analyst. Most of your job will be sitting in front of your computer modelling, working with your deal team, sitting in on management meetings, and calling up bankers and other parties needed to complete a deal.
If you want more operational experience, then go join a startup, small business or some managerial position in the corporate role.
Benefits of a career in private equity
- Money – Pay is top notch for someone who is in their 20s.
- Interesting work – get a dive deep into understanding the fundamentals of businesses, industries, competitors, growth prospects, etc.
- Long-term investment focus – This is the big difference between private equity investments and hedge fund investments. You hold your portfolio companies for 5+ years typically, so you think more about the business’ fundamentals in the long run and less about quarterly earnings.
- Strategic thinking – While you don’t get direct exposure to the operational side of the companies you invest in, you do get exposure to the overall growth strategy and management plan. Investments in private equity are all about having multiple ways to win, either through driving overall organic growth through capturing market share, increasing customer’s share of wallet or inorganic growth through add-on acquisitions.
- Proven investment style that has delivered consistent returns over the long run – while this has been true in the past, who knows if it continues to stay true in the future given how much money has flooded the industry.
- Exit opportunities – if you ever wanted to switch careers down the road, there are a ton of different career paths you could choose.
Downsides of a career in private equity
- Little work / life balance – wait I thought everyone goes to the buyside to work less?? Wrong. Good chance you’ll end up working more than you used to on average (unless you join a middle market private equity shop that has good culture/hours)
- Stress – unlike a corporate job where everything moves at a snail’s pace, everything moves very quickly whenever you are trying to make an investment. Just like in investment banking, whenever you are in the middle of a deal, expect to work around to clock to meet deadlines.
- Not creating anything tangible – you can’t believe how many people after working a few years in private equity complain about how they aren’t fulfilled at their jobs. A lot of people want to work directly on building a business, creating something of value for people. Once you save a lot of money, you start to question what is it that you really want to do in life (read why I quit a 500k/year job). In private equity, you are just a capital allocator, picking and choosing where to invest money.
Private Equity Interviews
To land a job in private equity you must start preparing very early on when you start your job in investment banking. On-cycle interviews begin just a few months into your first year in banking. Read the most common private equity interview questions and make sure you are well prepared before talking to recruiters.
At some point during the interview process, you may be asked to complete a full case study. Take home case studies are more common during off-cycle recruiting where you get a full week to basically analyze a business and provide your thoughts on whether its an attractive LBO target. Make sure to read the Best Private Equity Case Study Guide to learn everything you need to know to complete the case study.
Private equity career trajectory
The career path in private equity is very similar to investment banking.
- Analyst (2-3 years)
- Associate (2 years)
- Senior Associate (1-2 years)
- Vice President (3-4 years)
- Principal (3-4 years)
- Partner (endgame)
Example of how private equity firms get paid
General rule of thumb is that firms with more assets under management (AUM) pay substantially more than smaller AUM shops. There is so much economies of scale in private equity. You can manage more AUM, but not have to hire as many employees. There are $10Bn private equity firms that only have 40-50 employees.
The economics of a private equity firm are extremely lucrative. Most funds these days charge 1.5% management fees annually and 20% carried interest. This means that for a $1Bn private equity fund, they clip $15MM in fees annually right off the bat to fund operations and then keep 20% of the profits.
There is usually a 6% hurdle before a fund can take any cut of the profits, but then there is a catch up where the private equity firm then gets the rest of the profits to get their 6% before splitting the remainder 80/20. All in, the math on the carried interest usually works out to be an 80/20 split of the profits.
Private equity carried interest
Think about how crazy these economics are. A $1Bn private equity fund will have about 15 employees: three Partners, three Principals, three Vice Presidents three Associates and a few people in back office. Assuming the fund makes a 2.0x return on invested capital, then the profits of the fund are as follows:
In a firm of 15 people, 12 of them get some percentage of the carry. A vast majority of the money goes to the partners of course. The Principals / VP get a good slice and the Senior Associates / CFO get a small cut. There is a reason why private equity partners are extremely wealthy – notice how crazy the amount of money they get if the fund does well.
Now usually carry doesn’t get paid out until a fund exits a deal and makes a good return. Private equity funds are usually ~8 years long (4 years investment period 4 years harvest), so you could go years without receiving a carried interest payment.
That said, if you stay at a fund for a long time, you can get carry in multiple funds that overlap with one another.
Private equity bonus structure
Given private equity funds also charge a management fee, annual bonuses are still paid to their employees. Using the example above, a 1.5% management fee is $15MM a year in revenue for the fund which only has 15 employees. That is $1MM in revenue per head every year right off the bat.
Even if the fund makes no money on its invested capital, everyone at the firm is still extremely well paid. Sounds unfair doesn’t it? But that is just how it is given private equity firms have done very well over the past 40 years. Of course, if the latest fund doesn’t generate a good return, then it will be extremely hard to raise another fund.
Below is a breakdown of private equity salaries and bonuses at each level:
Private Equity Analyst Salaries and Bonuses ($85-100K Salary + $50-75K Bonus)
- Most private equity firms do not recruit analysts out of undergrad, but there are some that do. Expect pay to be similar to slightly lower than investment banking compensation at the analyst level. At this level, bonuses are standardized and there won’t be more than a 10-20K difference just like in banking.
Private Equity Associate Salaries and Bonuses ($125-155K Salary + $120-230K Bonus)
- People who break into private equity usually join at the Associate level after doing a few years in investment banking. The Private Equity Associate position is what most investment bankers dream of. Breaking into the buyside is all junior bankers ever talk about.
- Expect compensation to be in the ~$275K range for most first year private equity associates. Depending on how big the firm is, you could get paid more. A lot of the “mega funds” like KKR, TPG, Blackstone, Apollo, etc. pay $370K+ all-in after just two years in banking.
Private Equity Senior Associate Salaries and Bonuses ($180-220K Salary + $180-$300K Bonus)
- After two years as an Associate, you become a Senior Associate. You will be ~26-27 years old and start contemplating whether this is what you want to do for the rest of your life. This is when most people leave the industry, either because they couldn’t make it to the Vice President level, want to switch careers to corporate or hedge fund, or they go back to business school (you should really think about whether B-School is worth it).
- Expect pay in the mid $300K range all-in at most places and in the $450K+ range at mega funds. At some places, especially at the smaller shops that can’t pay high cash compensation, you will start to get a little bit of carry in the fund. Don’t expect it to be a meaningful amount at this level, especially because it takes a long time to vest.
Private Equity Vice President Salaries and Bonuses ($200-$250K Salary + $200-500K Bonus + Carry)
- If you make it to the Vice President level at a good private equity firm, then the compensation can start to get extremely lucrative. If you break into the buyside after a few years of banking and climb the private equity ladder, you could become a Vice President by the time you are 28/29 at the earliest.
- Compensation at these levels really varies widely depending on the fund’s size. At a decent $2Bn+ fund and good fund performance, you should expect ~$350-$500K in cash compensation and a potential $2-3MM in carry over 4-8 years if the fund makes a good return (but again, don’t rely too much on the carry as it takes a long time to vest and is not guaranteed).
- At a mega fund with $50Bn+ AUM, you can reach up to $700K+ of all-in compensation.
Private Equity Principal Salaries and Bonuses (All-in $500K-900K+ Carry)
- If you think making it to Vice President is very hard, imagine trying to make the next leap to the Principal level. Usually those who reach this level have a ton of deals under their belt, know what they are doing, and have relationships where they can start sourcing deals themselves.
- Even though your cash compensation at the Principal level seems to be an insane amount of money (especially at mega-funds), your carry has the potential to be even more ridiculous. If the fund has a good performance, expect your carry to be ~$5MM at the smaller funds to ~$10-15MM at the larger shops.
Private Equity Partner Salaries and Bonuses
- This is the end game. Unless you joined a large fund that has a lot of room for upward mobility, it is extremely hard to reach the partner level. This is true for any industry of course. To become partner, you have to prove that you can source good deals and have a good track record of performance. Once private equity professionals reach closer to the top, they team up with others and start raising their own funds.
- Compensation at the Partner level is literally all over the place depending on the fund size and performance. This is where you can make F**K You kinds of money.
Middle market versus mega fund private equity salary and bonuses
Like I mentioned before there is a big difference between what you can get paid at a middle market private equity firm versus a mega fund. At the Associate level, it is ~$100K difference in compensation. At more senior levels, it becomes an even bigger difference especially because the carry at a larger fund is much more meaningful.
If you wonder why that is, it is entirely because of the economies of scale in this business. The size of a fund can get bigger and bigger without having to add as many employees. You usually just go out and chase bigger deals. If you do the carried interest math shown above on a $10Bn fund, you can see how much more money a large fund can make.
So bigger the fund = higher pay. That said, don’t expect the lifestyle to be better. Expect to work a lot more on average at all the mega funds versus middle market.
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Hedge fund versus private equity versus venture capital
If you want about the differences between all the various buyside jobs, then read the Differences Between Private Equity, Hedge Funds and Venture Capital. In terms of compensation, it is somewhat similar across all the industries. Most operate under a 2/20 model these days, except the 2 is now going down to 1 or 1.5% given how crowded the industry has become.
Out of all the different buyside jobs, private equity provides the most stable compensation structure where you are guaranteed a set bonus each year. If you read my article on Hedge Fund Salaries and Bonuses, you will see that hedge fund pay is extremely volatile and completely dependent on a fund’s performance.
I know multiple hedge fund analysts who did not get paid more than a base salary of $150K because the fund did not have a good year. Of course, at larger funds, this isn’t much of an issue as the management fees cover some level of bonuses for all employees.
Venture capital is similar to private equity, but don’t expect compensation to be as lucrative as private equity or hedge funds unless you are at one of the top shops.
Don’t pay too much attention to compensation
Even though this article talks about how lucrative a career in private equity is, don’t pay too much attention to it. At the end of the day, if you don’t like what you are doing, you will not be successful at it and you won’t make it to the top.
A life in private equity is still one that is very stressful and where you have to sacrifice a lot on the personal side to do well.
There is a misconception that always goes around junior bankers that think the buyside is the promise land where you work less, work on more meaningful things, and get paid more. Yes, you will get paid more especially once you reach VP/Principal level, but you will also continue working a ton.
So be prepared to make the work/life sacrifices necessary if you want to make it big in private equity. Sure, there are a lot of lifestyle middle market private equity firms out there, but at the end of a day, investing money will always be stressful and hours will continue to be long especially when in a middle of a deal.
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Johan says
Great article as always!
Since you have been in the industry for a while and have lots of friends in it- I was wondering what do you think the more “risk averse” path is? I have seen that PE obviously has more upside at the top levels but a lot of people end up trading down funds post MBA and even more as they go to higher levels.
However, in IBD, I have noticed a lot of ~33-34 year old MDs who just stayed in IBD when they started off as analysts. They often then end up becoming very senior in IB or end up moving to a boutique bank which is also obviously very lucrative. Wanted your thoughts on which path you think is the more risk averse one to become more senior?
Buyside Hustle says
Banking is definitely more risk adverse. Many go into banking as analysts then stay on because the job becomes pretty comfortable after a few years. Work at a big firm, there is a lot of money to go around usually versus in PE/HFs smaller shops are definitely riskier as you are hoping to be able to raise a new fund during the end of each investment period.
That said, the path to MD is not that easy in banking. Most make it to VP/Director only to get stuck at that level since they can’t build relationships and bring in revenue.
Jacob says
Hi , thank you so much for your insights!
I just found your blog and find it immensely helpful for someone who’s interested in PE. I’d like to ask why the salaries and bonuses from your article is contradicting of what I find on Glassdoor and indeed where it’s around 80k with no mentions of bonus. Why is there a lack of transparency when it comes to pay in the world of finance? From what I read it’s high but the mainstream sources list salaries that are way below the touted 200k + bonus etc.. Coming from someone who’s not in the finance industry it can be overwhelming/confusing at times. Do you actually get that high of a TC or does it really depend on the size of the firm? If you can shed some light or clarify the discrepancy , I’d really appreciate it.
Buyside Hustle says
When I was young in high school / college, there was no way in the world I would have believed that you can make that much money in your 20s in any career path. I did not grow up anywhere near NYC and had no idea about how much money you could really make in finance.
The total compensation above is not an exageration. Glassdoor is not a good source for buyside careers, probably captures other types of backoffice/middle office roles that would bring down the average. Would look on wallstreetoasis and other blogs that focus specifically on buyside roles. The money is extremely lucrative in this industry and grows exponentially the longer you stay (if you can stay in the industry and keep getting promoted).
Jacob says
Thanks for the clarification!
I’m a junior undergrad studying finance in NYC and am currently conflicted. I am interested in PE and was told to get into IB then transition to PE.
Does the compensation only apply to NYC for PE because I live in NYC but want to move out to a different state but there isn’t the big shops out of NYC? Lastly, do you offer any career coaching services? As someone who actually worked in the industry with experience I think you have some great insights and advice that you could share. You should also write more articles on your blog. I appreciate the transparency and honesty but respect the anonymity.
Buyside Hustle says
Yes compensation does apply to other cities as well, but you usually get paid the most in the big cities (NYC/SF/Chicago).
No career coaching as of now, but feel free to ask any questions you have in the comment section. Working at a hedge fund takes up most of my life so blog posts come every now and then.
Jacob says
How do you like working at a hedge fund currently; given your past blog posts about private equity how does it compare? Do you have a work life balance at your current fund and lastly what tips or advice would you give your 21 year old self if you were to do it all over again?
I appreciate the replies and your time. Thanks!
Buyside Hustle says
I really like it, transitioned to a distressed/deep value fund a while ago that has a long term investment horizon. It is a very introverted job with a lot of reading and data crunching, so if you like to interact with people more on a daily basis then probably not the best route for you. Would read my article life on the buyside at a multimanager hedge fund for pros and cons (specifically for multi-managers), differences between HF and PE, and other older articles on the blog for more info.
Work life balance is not great – that is how it is in most buyside firms that are successful. Probably the #1 misconception of the buyside is that hours are better, which is not true at most places. It is definitely a sacrifice.
Here are some tips on things I wish I knew in my 20s.
Jacob says
Thanks for the interesting reads~!
Firstly, do you see any value in the CFA for an undergrad who doesn’t have a perfect GPA? I knew you said you were against the idea of MBA and valued experience more which I think is the better alternative.
Second, do you still recommend the same books on your “must read investing books” or will there be an updated list? I find some of them to be older books and am not sure if it’s relevant to today’s investing practices.
Lastly, during financial downturns is there an increased risk associated with your position at a hedge fund; in other words how is the job security during recessions etc? I heard that for some funds, many people get let go due to poor performance standards but I’m not sure how much of that reasoning correlates with downturns.
Buyside Hustle says
CFA doesn’t hurt, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. If you want to break into a hedge fund would focus on trying to land a sell-side research or investment banking role out of undergrad. The books are older yes, but they are classics – would read them all. It is a good starting point.
Have written about the different types of funds and what is more or less risky. Would read some of my older blog posts on hedge funds. It is all about how large the fund is, track record, and if the capital is locked up or not. Redemptions during crisis can cause small funds to go out of business very quickly.
Jacob says
Thank you for the reply! – I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. I just have a few more questions pertaining to hedge funds..
1) Is there a good culture or work environment at the fund you work at or hedge funds in general ?
3) Is your total comp negotiable? ; Do bonuses also get taxed on as part of your total compensation?
4) odd question but do most shops still care about “dress codes” or is it more relaxed ?
5) Is it possible to land an analyst position straight from undergrad (non-target) ?
6) Lastly, how would i find out what investment style I would like and why not private equity for the stable compensation or less risk that’s associated with a “bad year”?
p.s. I assume you don’t need the money but if you had an option to donate to keep this site running, I’d gladly support it just to read your insightful articles as an industry insider!
Buyside Hustle says
1) Culture doesn’t really exist at most hedge funds. You are there to work, analyze and generate ideas. I would say most people at hedge funds are very bad at the people side of things.
2) You are paid your worth. If you can consistently come up with good ideas and are a valuable team member, then you have more say in comp. Usually it is formula based (i.e. you get a percentage cut of the P&L).
3) Dress code – not really on the HF side. In PE at larger shops it is usually more formal than at HFs. That said, it is more relaxed than banking.
4) Yes possible, but would not recommend jumping straight into the buyside. Get good general experience in banking – gives you more time to figure out what exactly you want to do longer-term and a good technical foundation.
5) Read books, talk to people in the positions you think you want to be in. Yes PE is more stable, longer-term focused. All depends on what you want to do.
I have this blog for fun – no need to make any money on it.
Kasper says
Hey! Nice article, a lot of usefull information
I am currently 16 years old and I dream of livingbin new york city. I’m really interested in PE, hedge funds, IB but i have a question. What do you mean with carry?
And also, in wich of those can you make the most amount of money ad mid level ( not junior analyst but also not a partner).
Thanks already!
Greets
Buyside Hustle says
16 wow, way ahead of everyone else already. A PE fund makes money through 1. the management fee and 2. the carry. The carry is the percentage of the profits that gets distributed to partners and other employees. If you get carry, that means you get a percentage cut of the profits. Most money is made at the partner level.
lee says
I always thank you for your valuable post.
i have questions about carried interest
q1.what is typical distribution of carried interest for principal ? i can’t understand how net carried interest of principal can be over 10mm dollar . according to other post, carried interest of principal is a range between 0.1 percent and 0.3 percent at 1bn~ 10bn fund
q2. you mean partner is just partner which is next position of principal?? i heard that there is next position of partner that makes tons of money
Buyside Hustle says
Not sure what you are asking here, but the percentage of carry given to Principals depends on the size of the fund, lower percentage the bigger the fund. Partner is the last level and pay varies substantially depending on the size of the fund and how good you are at bringing in/picking deals.
Matt says
Thanks for the article. I have two questions (sorry if they are a bit dumb but I am new to finance).
1) You wrote that PE Principals can “expect carry to be ~$5MM at the smaller funds to ~$10-15MM at the larger shops”. But do they make that amount of money each year or just once every 4/8 years at the end of the life of the fund? I mean, taking into account the carry, is it reasonable to assume that PE Principals make 10MM/year or is it more like 2-3MM/year?
2) What about an estimate of the total compensation for Partners taking (always taking into account the renormalized carry/year)? Is it more likely to be 20MM/year or 6MM/year?
Buyside Hustle says
1) Carry payments are over the life of the fund so 4-8 years for those $$ figures you mentioned.
2) Depends on size of the fund, could be in the low single digit millions all the way up to hundreds of millions.